How to Find the Longitude and Latitude of Parcel Corners

Ocotillo Wells Parcel

Today I will show you how to find the approximate longitude and latitude of the corners of a parcel on the internet.  As an example, we’ll find the corners a remote parcel I’m listing in Ocotillo Wells, Imperial County, near Borrego Springs.  For all of you ATV riders, that’s next to the Ocotillo Wells State Vehicular Recreation Area.

Step 1:  Go to the website ITouchMap

Itouchmap logo

 

Step 2:  Locate your parcel on the ITouchMap website

This is the trickiest part.  Suffice to say, you either need to have an address or have a mental-map of where the parcel is located to find it.  ITouchMap will not help you find the corners of a parcel if you don’t already know roughly where it is to begin with!

If you don’t have a clue where it is but you do know the parcel number/tax identification number (APN), try using a city or county Geographic Information System (GIS) to get a sense of the location.  GIS systems will typically not give you coordinates of the corners, however.  So after you get a feel for the location you’ll still have to return from GIS to ITouchMap.  (I’ll cover GIS systems in a future blog post.)

In ITouchMap, if you happen to have an address, just type that in.

If you don’t have an address, try typing in cross streets, city and state, e.g., Main St and Avenue A, Some City, CA.

In the case of my Ocotillo Wells parcel, I do not have an address, but I know this parcel is northeast of Hwy 78 and Pole Line Rd.  So here’s what I type in:

Hwy 78 and Pole Line Rd, Ocotillo Wells, CA

ITouchMap has apparently never heard of remote “Pole Line Rd” so it just blindly centers the map at beautiful downtown Ocotillo Wells, population approximately 50.

Now it’s up to me to move the map around to locate the intersection of Hwy 78 and Pole Line Rd a couple of miles east.  (Like I said, you basically have to know roughly where the parcel is in order to accomplish this.)

To help me locate the precise parcel, I also have a separate copy of the black and white plat map.  The plat map is not on ITouchMap.  (I’ll cover plat maps in a future blog post).  Further, I also know that the parcel number is APN 018-090-018.  Focusing on the last 2 digits of this APN, this means that the parcel I’m looking for is the one with the 18 in a circle on the plat map.

Plat Map

Now what I do is visual “pattern recognition”.   That is, I stare at the pattern of rectangles and squares in the plat map.  And I stare at the pattern of rectangles and squares in ITouchMap northeast of Hwy 78 and Pole Line Rd.   I compare the two patterns.  By doing this I can find the square parcel in ITouchMap that corresponds to my parcel -18 in the plat map.  In my case, I’m looking for a symmetrical square east of 4 long skinny horizontal parcels.

Itouchmap 2

Oh yeah, I’ve found the parcel I’m looking for!  If you’re still with me, the hardest part is over.

Now that I’ve located the parcel visually in ITouchMap, it’s time to find the longitude and latitude of the corners of the parcel…

 

Step 3:  Click on the first corner

To start, I click on the northwest corner of the parcel in ITouchMap.  When I do that, the longitude and latitude numbers pop up in their boxes at the bottom.  Cool!  I’ve found the coordinates of one corner!

 

Itouchmap 7

 

Step 4:  Click on the remaining corners

Now I click on the remaining 3 corners one at a time.  As I click on each one, I see the longitude and latitude pop up in their boxes on ITouchMap.

 

Step 5:  Write it all down

What I do now is change the view in ITouchMap to aerial or hybrid and print out a paper map of the parcel.  Or, if you have a better aerial map from a different source, print that out.  Then I get a big black marker and write the longitude and latitude of each corner by that corner.  I take this notated paper map with me when I’m out looking at the parcel.

But wait.  Which format should you write down?  Shoud you write down degrees, minutes and seconds, e.g.,

  • Latitude 33 degrees, 8 minutes, 35.9478 seconds
  • Longitude -115 degrees, 58 minutes, 25.8492 seconds

Or should you record decimal format, e.g.,

  • Latitude 33.143319
  • Longitude -115.973847

Be sure to check the format on the device you will be using in the field (e.g., the GPS in your car or on your smart phone) first before writing down the coordinates on the paper aerial map because you will want the format you write down to match the format you see “out in the field”.  You’ll be mad if you’re standing out in the heat or cold after driving 2 hours trying to do a mental conversion because you wrote the numbers down in the wrong format!

Another tip:  Remember to write down the negative sign in front of Longitude or you’ll end up somewhere in China …!

 

Step 6:  While you’re at it, get some extra GPS coordinates to help along the way

GPS in dashboardIn the case of the Ocotillo Wells parcel, I haven’t been to the parcel yet.  The closest road is Pole Line Rd.  So I when I’m out in the middle of the desert on Hwy 78, trying to find the turnoff for Pole Line Rd, looking at nothing but sand, it would be really nice to know the longitude and latitude of that corner because there may or may not be a sign for Pole Line Rd.  So I might use ITouchMap to find the GPS coordinates of the intersection of Pole Line Rd and Hwy 78.  I would write those down on my paper map.

I might also find the GPS coordinates of the point on Pole Line Rd directly west of the parcel because this may be the farthest I can drive without going off road.  Then I will know where to park my car to hike from or take photos from at a distance.  I would write those coordinates down on my map too.

Armed with this paper map, the GPS in my car, and a latte (oh wait, I forgot I was trying to be a vegan…let’s say a black coffee) I can now hit the road!

 

Technology

Some smartphones like the I-phone have latitude and longitude on them (but may not work in remote areas) and there are special map Apps you can get.  Hand-held GPS devices can also be used to locate corners.  And you probably have GPS in your car.  First though, you have to know the longitude and latitude of the corners you’re looking for.  Yes, there are Apps for everything and a lot of technology out there, but I don’t know any App or device that will read your mind and tell you what it is you want to find.  You basically have to know that already.

Without knowing that, it’s like going to Google and typing in “I don’t know what I’m looking for but can you help me find it?”  Google is smart but it’s not that smart!

So the purpose of this blog post is to explain how you can use ITouchMap first to find the approximate GPS coordinates of the parcel.  Then, when you’re out there in the wild, you can use your smartphone or handheld GPS device or GPS in your car to assist you in finding the corresponding corners.

 

How Accurate is Itouchmap?

I have no idea how accurate the ITouchMap longitude and latitude estimates are.  Personally, I would use Itouchmap for these purposes:

  • Locating the land so that I can photograph it for marketing purposes
  • Locating approximate corners to decide whether to buy (except in the rare instances where there’s some critical thing right near the property line that makes a difference in my decision to buy or not buy, e.g., a house possibly encroaching)
  • Locating approximate corners so that I can look in the dirt to find an actual survey marker in the ground
  • Minor boundary disputes with a friendly neighbor

I would not use ITouchMap for these purposes:

  • Figuring out where to put up a fence along property boundaries
  • Calculating setbacks to pour a permanent foundation to build a house
  • Major boundary disputes with an unfriendly neighbor

If it’s important, or if there’s a lot of money involved, or if there’s a legal dispute, hire a good surveyor!

 

Advice to Sellers:

Did Uncle Fred leave you a remote parcel in his will and you’ve never seen the land?  Fred may not be around to show you the corners but you can use the information in this blog post to locate them.

Did the title company discover a mechanic’s lien for grading on your parcel but you think it’s actually the adjacent parcel that was accidentally graded by the contractor?  Use ITouchMap to see an aerial map and find the corners.

Do you think the neighbor’s airstream trailer and “medical” marijuana plot are encroaching on your parcel?  Pull up an aerial map and locate the approximate corners and check it out from the safety of your home without encountering the sketchy neighbor in person.

 

Advice to Buyers: 

Do you want to locate the approximate corners of a parcel before submitting an offer?  For example, maybe you want to make sure that a parcel doesn’t fall off into the ravine.  Or that it does include the well house you noticed.  Or maybe you just want to find the darn thing.  You can use the information in this blog post to find approximate corners.

 

Advice to Agents: 

Do you have buyers calling you on your remote land listings asking for the “address” so that they can go see the land?  Ha!  Of course, you’re aware that the parcel is in the middle of freakin’ nowhere and has no address, only a parcel number (APN), but the buyer may not realize this at the time they call.

So now, using the information in this blog post you should be able to at least provide buyers with something a little more helpful:  The longitude and latitude of one point on the parcel or even all corners.  Also send them the link to ITouchMap.  Buyers can then view the aerial map.  This way they can understand why there is no address and it’s not a simple “drive by” parcel.

 

Now get out there.  Have fun finding those parcel corners and take lots of water!

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Fair Division of Cake Between Two Children (and the Relevance to Selling Land)

Cutting Cake Analogy for Shotgun NegotiationMost adults know intuitively how to divide cake between two children with a minimum of squabbles:  Little Johnny gets to cut the cake.  Then his sister Mary gets to choose which piece she wants.  The beauty of this strategy is that brother Johnny has no built-incentive to cut the cake in such a way that he can have the larger portion.

There is actually a name for this type of negotiation in the economic and real estate literature:  It’s called “shotgun negotiation”.

Unlike most types of real estate negotiation that I discuss in this blog, which are between buyers and sellers, shotgun negotiation is useful between two or more sellers or co-owners of one parcel of land.

Shotgun negotiation can be used when co-owners disagree on what to do with the land they own jointly.  For example, they may disagree on:

  • whether or not to sell their land now;
  • the price at which to list their land for sale;
  • which real estate firm to use;
  • whether to invest in developing the land

When co-owners disagree with one another, it’s best if they can try to negotiate and come to an amicable consensus.  The question is: what can co-owners do when negotiation becomes impossible, or even contentious, and all else fails?

 

Shotgun Negotiation

When the co-owners realize that they have reached an impasse and cannot make an amicable joint decision, sometimes the only solution to break the impasse is for one co-owner to buy out the other co-owner.  In this situation, shotgun negotiation is one way to achieve that goal.

Shotgun negotiation works like this:  One co-owner has the opportunity to set the price.  The other co-owner then decides whether they will 1) buy out the other person at that price, or 2) sell to the other person at that price.  Once the price is set, there is no negotiation on the price at all, period.  There is no back and forth negotiation – none whatsoever.  The beauty of this is that it happens in one shot and there is no long protracted negotiation!

Below are two examples of hypothetical situations where shotgun negotiation is used.

 

Example 1:  Three Cousins Can’t Agree on Whether to Sell Their Land

The Grandparents left some land to their grandkids Angie, Barbie and Cindi.  The three young women are cousins.  Each cousin owns 1/3 in interest in the land.  Angie wants her money now so she can travel to Europe this summer.  Angie wants to put the land up for sale with a Realtor so that she can cash out now.  Cindi, however, doesn’t want to sell now because the economy is so bad.  Barbie, the peacemaker in the middle, doesn’t care and will go along with whatever the other two decide.

Since Angie and Cindi can’t reach consensus, they all agree that one cousin, Angie or Cindi will have to buy the other one out.  Afterward, the cousins who own the land can do whatever they want.

They all agree that Cindi can set the price for 1/3 share and that Angie will then decide whether Angie will buy out Cindi or whether Angie will sell to Cindi at that price.  Barbie will keep her share.  Because the value of the parcel is fairly low, each cousin has the resources to buy out any other cousin if necessary.

Cindi feels the value of the whole parcel is $30,000 so Cindi sets the price at $10,000 for 1/3 share.  Angie, after doing some on-line research, feels that the entire parcel is worth only $26,000 on the open market.  So Angie feels that her cousin has slightly overvalued the 1/3 interest.  Angie wanted to sell it anyway so Angie gladly sells her share to Cindi for $10,000.  Cindi now owns 2/3 interest and Barbie owns 1/3 interest.

The remaining cousins Barbie and Cindi agree to hang on to the parcel for now and not sell it on the open market, just as Cindi wanted to do originally.  The shotgun negotiation is complete and Angie takes off for Europe with money in her pocket.

 

Example 2:  The Johansson’s are Getting a Divorce

Magna and Omar Johansson are getting a divorce.  Omar has liquid assets from his flourishing consulting business. Magna also has substantial separate inheritance funds.  So, each is in the position to buy the other out on the commercial land that they own jointly.  Both agree that Magna can name the price and the Omar can choose whether to 1) buy his wife’s 50% interest at that price or, 2) sell his 50% interest to his wife at that price.  They agree that after Magna sets the price there will be no negotiation on the price she sets.

After some thought, Magna decides that at a threshold price of $400,000 she is indifferent about buying or selling so she sets the price at $400,000 for her half.  Omar secretly feels his (soon to be former) wife has undervalued the property.  As agreed, there is no dickering.  Omar buys Magna’s 50% interest for $400,000.  Omar now owns the whole parcel and Magna has $400,000 additional in the bank.  The shotgun negotiation is complete.

 

When is Shotgun Negotiation Not Ideal?

Shotgun negotiation may be considered unfair when one co-owner is unable, or less able, to buy out the other co-owner because they simply don’t have the money.  For example, if one person sets the price at $100,000 and the other person only has $30,000 in the bank, then the second party does not really have an option to buy.  Their only option is to sell.  The second co-owner may perceive the negotiation as unfair.  So the shotgun negotiation approach may be ill-advised in situations like this for reasons of fairness.

 

Going First or Going Second

In a shotgun negotiation, would you be better off being the one to set the price or the one choosing whether to buy or sell at a price set by your co-owner?

Well, the co-owner setting the price has incentive to choose a price such that they’re indifferent between buying and selling at that price.  That is, they’d be equally happy either way.  Economists and decision scientists call this the “point of indifference”.  (To see why this is, think back to the child dividing the cake.  He has no incentive to cut the cake so that one piece is larger than the other.  So the child does his best to divide it in such a way so that he is indifferent between the portions.)

However, the co-owner who goes second in the negotiation, and chooses whether to buy or sell at a set price, will likely not be indifferent between the two options she faces.  This is in part because that co-owner may have different information on the value of the land and in part because they have different values and life-circumstances.  The second person will choose the option that they like best.  They will be happier with the option they select than the alternative that they did not choose.

It seems better to choose an option that makes you happier rather than be left with an alternative about which you are merely indifferent.  So it seems better to go second rather than first.

 

What I Like About Shotgun Negotiation

I’m almost always in favor of swift negotiation that ends with a definite resolution.  Don’t drag it out forever.  Get in; get out; get it done; that’s how I generally like to sell real estate.  And that’s what I like about the shotgun idea.  It’s fast and it gets the job done in one shot.

I find that protracted negotiation among real estate co-owners runs the risk of creating ill will that spills over into the seller’s personal life.  It’s usually just not worth it.  For example, co-owners getting a divorce might have to co-parent after their negotiation on real estate.  Co-owners who work together might still be employed by the same firm and have to work together afterward.  Co-owners who are family members might still see each other on holidays.  Do you really want to risk bad persistent feelings over a lot of negative back and forth negotiation?

Remember, the conflict over your land is just about dirt and money.  There are more important things in life!   So when it comes to the negotiation over your land, just get ‘er done.

 

Advice to Sellers

I am not an attorney.  In this blog I don’t pretend to give legal advice.  Rather, I offer some ideas that you might discuss with your legal and financial advisors.

If you own land with one or more co-owners and can’t work out a conflict, you might consider the shotgun approach to breaking the impasse.  You could have a written agreement with an actual “shotgun clause”.  However, even if you have no written agreement with your co-owners and you’re handling the whole thing informally, if you reach a roadblock in negotiation you could just sit down at the kitchen table and do a shotgun negotiation right then and there over milk and cookies (or, in my house, tofu and broccoli with cashews).

 

Advice to Buyers: 

If you are buying land with one or more co-owners, now is the time to start thinking about what will happen when you go to sell the land later.  Ideally you will make decisions by consensus.  However, you should consider now what will happen if you and your co-owners can’t agree at some point in the future on whether to sell, or what price to sell at, etc.

You might have an attorney draft an agreement between you and your co-owners now.  That agreement might include a shotgun clause that either party could invoke in the event of an impasse in negotiation regarding some future decision to sell the land.

 

Advice to Agents:

Have you ever had someone call you expressing interest in selling their real estate but their co-owners didn’t want to go along with the sale?  You might suggest that they consider a shotgun approach to resolving their differences.  Perhaps one co-owner could buy out the other co-owners.  The shotgun is one way to accomplish that.  Then the remaining owner(s) can decide whether or not to sell!

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Are Prices On Land Increasing Yet? A Tale Of Three Cities

The most frequently asked question I get is this one:  “Are prices on vacant land going up yet?”

Today, I will give you a glimpse of an answer to that question.  As you may know, Land22 Real Estate sells land in all California counties.  We have offices in Redding, Sacramento and Palm Springs.  So just for fun let’s look at these three cities.  To keep the playing field level, let’s investigate the same type of land – small lots less than one acre – in all of these cities.

For each city, and for each year 2006 to 2012, I searched the most relevant MLS for that city for lots under one acre that had sold in that year.  When searching for lots in city of Redding I searched the Shasta County MLS.  For lots in the city of Sacramento, I searched the MetroList MLS.  For the city of Palm Springs, I searched the Desert Area MLS.  I calculated the median average selling price for each year.  I also noted the number of lots that sold that year.

Here’s what I found for the three cities:

Redding:

City of Redding
Year  Median Selling Price  Number Sold
2006 $135,500 40
2007 $125,900 43
2008 $57,500 17
2009 $114,500 10
2010 $43,500 19
2011 $40,000 10
2012 $35,000 16

From the table above you can see that small lots in Redding are selling for about one-third of what they used to sell for back in 2006 ($35,000 vs. $135,000).  And even though selling prices are lower, far fewer lots are actually changing hands (16 vs. 40).   Behind the scenes it may be that land sellers in Redding are sitting on the sidelines waiting for the economy to improve before putting their parcels on the market so fewer lots are available to be sold.  Clearly, we can see that in 2012 many land buyers sat on the sidelines. This could be because buyers are purchasing existing homes, rather than buying land to build new ones, because homes are priced favorably due to the economic recession.

So when you ask “Are land price going up yet?” my answer is:  No, prices on lots under 1 acre are not heading upward yet in Redding.

 

Sacramento:

City of Sacramento
Year  Median Selling Price  Number Sold
2006 $135,000 121
2007 $111,000 66
2008 $192,000 10
2009 $34,750 32
2010 $35,000 33
2011 $26,500 36
2012 $28,950 62

Like Redding, median average selling prices on lots in the city of Sacramento also decreased between 2006 and 2012 (from $135,000 down to $28,950).  There appears to be a very slight uptick in prices between 2011 and 2012 (from $26,500 to $28,950) but this increase is so small it is barely noticeable.  There is a more substantial increase in the number of lots sold in the last year (from 36 to 62).  I wonder if this means prices have at least bottomed out in Sacramento.  But don’t get too excited:  $28,950 is still nowhere near the pre-recession price levels of $111,000 to $192,000 that we saw a few years ago in Sacramento.

I conclude:  Prices on lots under 1 acre lots in Sacramento have not increased markedly yet, although it appears that they may soon.

 

Palm Springs:

City of Palm Springs
Year  Median Selling Price  Number Sold
2006 $165,000 64
2007 $370,000 21
2008 $90,000 18
2009 $152,950 11
2010 $85,000 14
2011 $110,000 20
2012 $170,000 32

As you know, Palm Springs is known as a vacation and resort area.  But real people live in Palm Springs too.  Perhaps reflecting the mix of housing and lifestyles, selling prices on land in Palm Springs are all over the place and there is no clear trend on price.  The only clear trend is that the number of lots sold dropped dramatically from 64 annually to about half that during the recession.  Prices today are also substantially less than they were in the peak of 2007 ($370,000).  It appears that prices may be climbing recently from 2010 ($85,000) to 2011 ($110,000) to 2012 ($170,000).

I expect prices on lots under 1 acre in Palm Springs to increase in the next few years.

 

Caveats and Limitations

1)      In this blog post, I looked at only three cities and only lots less than 1 acre.  Prices and trends in every California city and county and every size of parcel are different.  It would be a mistake to generalize from three cities to their respective counties or the whole state.  If you’re interested in selling your California land, contact me and I will investigate prices for your specific parcel.

2)      Although all parcels discussed here are similar in size (0-1 acre), I averaged across all types zoning (commercial, residential etc.), all types of road access (paved, unpaved, none), all permutations of utilities (electricity + water, electricity only, no utilities, etc.) and every other land descriptor.

3)      I obtained data from MLS systems.  The MLS includes only parcels sold by Realtors and does not include parcels that sold in other ways.

Obviously the purpose of this blog post is to give you just a glimpse into patterns in land prices over time, not the full picture!

 

Advice to Sellers

After the question “are land prices going up yet?” the second most often asked question I get from sellers is “does this mean I can get substantially more for my land now compared to when I asked you about it a year ago?”  My answer is:  um, probably not, but it depends on what part of California you are in and many other factors.

Remember, even if you read in the newspaper that the economy is improving, and even if you see in the data a slight increase in average selling price, it is likely that there are still many parcels on the market that your parcel will be competing with that have not sold, due to the economic recession.  The price data shown here is for sold parcels.  However, you’re land is not in competition with those – after all, they’re off the market!  You’re in competition with many fine parcels available for sale so you need to price your land favorably compared to parcels that have not sold.

The economy is like a big slow moving ocean liner.   Even if you turn the wheel out there in the middle of the ocean it takes a R-E-A-L-L-Y   L-O-N-G   T-I-M-E for it to actually turn around.  It may be 3-5 years before you see a noticeable increase in the price you can get for your land even if you see reports on the television that the economy is improving today.

Some good news though:  Based on casual observation, not data, I have noticed that: 1) Phone calls and e-mails to my firm are on the upswing, 2) Hits on my website are increasing, and 3) Some of our firms more attractive listings are selling a little faster, sometimes with multiple offers.  This is partly a reflection of the slightly improved economy.

 

Advice to Buyers

If you’re thinking about investing in land, or buying land to build your primary residence or vacation home, you’d better get on it!  This is because prices may be going up in the next few years.  Sellers will be hearing news about the economy improving and getting a little firmer in their negotiation as time goes on.  The price you pay will be a function of seller psychology and consumer confidence and not so much a function of data.  My advice is to buy now.  Don’t dilly dally.

 

Advice to Agents

Buyers and sellers benefit from seeing not only “comps” but also trend data.  You might consider showing your buyers or sellers price trend data similar to the data in this blog post.  If the trend data you show them is specific to the type of parcel they want to buy or sell, all the better.  Buyers will be impressed by seeing just what a great time it is to buy compared to a few years ago.  Sellers will gain insight from seeing just how much prices on parcels like theirs have declined as a result of the recession.  They will benefit from understanding that prices on land have not, in fact, increased in most parts of California, contrary to what they may have heard.

 

So what is the answer to “Are land prices going up yet?”  My answer is this: “It depends on the area.  In general, prices have not increased noticeably yet.  However, prices may have bottomed out and they are likely to increase in the coming years!”

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Stand Out On Price: Omit The Negotiation Cushion

When pricing your land for sale most sellers think they need to decide on two prices: a listing price and a selling price.  The listing price is the one they present to the world.  The selling price is the one they have in the back of their mind as the price they would actually sell at.  The difference between these two prices is what I refer to as the “negotiation cushion”.

For example, if a seller is willing to sell at $80,000 he might price his land at something like $99,000 to allow $19,000 for negotiation.

Today I want to explain why this may be:

A bad idea.

Old school.

So 2007.

Here’s a quick summary on why:  We’re in an economic recession; other sellers are doing the same thing; it’s a big mistake to blend in with the crowd on pricing; to induce a rare buyer to submit an offer you need to list your parcel at a price that gives the illusion of being favorable compared to other parcels; one way to do that is to eliminate the “negotiation cushion”.

Having a cushion to allow room for negotiation made sense back when the economy was good and offers came in easily.  In a good economy you want to set yourself up to be in the best negotiation position when you receive an offer.  However, in the current bad economy when only a fraction of land listings actually receive offers because the ratio of sellers to buyers is so high, it makes more sense to focus on pricing your parcel to actually attract an offer.

So if there’s no cushion for negotiation, what should a seller do when a buyer submits an offer that is lower than their list price (i.e., lower than the price they’re willing to sell at)?  The answer is: now that you have the offer in hand you just hold firm on your price.  Give the buyer a written signed counteroffer at the asking price or extremely close to it.

Here are two examples to illustrate my point:

Example 1:  Seller Kumar

Consider seller Kumar.  He owns 5 acres north of San Francisco California.  There are 10 competing parcels on the market between 3 and 7 acres that are available for sale within 2 miles of his parcel so seller Kumar has a lot of competition.  These other parcels are similar to his and priced between $50,000 and $60,000.  Kumar is willing to sell his land for $45,000.  The question for seller Kumar is:  what price should he list his land at?

Suppose he took the traditional approach, added in a cushion, and priced it at $60,000 to allow room for negotiation.  This way if he receives an offer at, say $40,000, he could give the buyer a counteroffer at $45,000 firm.

The problem with this dated strategy is that if Kumar prices his land at $60,000 he is highly unlikely to receive any offers at all.  This is because $60,000 is at the top of the prices of competing parcels.

Now suppose that Kumar chose the strategy that I’m proposing.  Suppose he entirely eliminated the “negotiation cushion” and priced it at $45,000.  This list price is below all other similar parcels.  At $45,000, Kumar is likely to receive an offer.  That offer may be at $45,000 or it may be under $45,000.  It doesn’t matter what the offer is because Kumar’s goal is just to receive an offer, any offer.  (Remember, an offer is just paper, he hasn’t accepted it yet!)  Now that seller Kumar has an offer in his hands he is “in the cat bird’s seat” and can respond how he wishes.  For example, if the offer is below his asking price, Kumar can counter back at full price $45,000.  If the buyer accepts his counter, that’s great!  Kumar has finished his negotiation and achieved his goal of selling at his acceptable price of $45,000.  If the buyer does not accept his counter, Kumar’s land is still on the market at $45,000 and remains favorably priced so he is in a good position to attract the next buyer who comes along.

Example 2:  Seller Althea

Here is another example to illustrate my point.  Seller Althea owns one of three similar parcels in a commercial area.  The other two commercial parcels are owned by competing seller Beatrice and competing seller Candice.  Statistically, on average, one commercial parcel sells in this area annually.  How can seller Althea price her parcel to be the one parcel that is likely to sell this year?

Competitor Beatrice is willing to sell her parcel for $170,000.  She has her parcel listed at $200,000 to allow $30,000 for negotiation.

Competitor Candice is willing to sell her parcel for $170,000.  Her parcel is listed at $198,000 to allow $28,000 for negotiation.

Seller Althea is also willing to sell her parcel for $170,000.  However, she lists her parcel at $170,000 to allow $0 for negotiation.

Which seller do you think will attract the one lonely buyer that may come along in the next year?  You got it:  seller Althea!  What is that buyer’s offer likely to be?  It doesn’t matter.  If it’s less than $170,000, seller Althea will counter it at $170,000.  At least she snagged the offer while her competitors sat on the sidelines and watched with envy.

Remember the goal of this strategy is to appear to be priced at an attractive level in comparison with competing parcels and GET AN OFFER.  Nevertheless, I find that sellers have various fears about eliminating the negotiation cushion.  Let’s address these fears:

Fear of leaving money on the table

Sellers may be concerned that by listing their parcel exactly at the price they’re actually willing to sell it for they eliminate the possibility that they might sell it for even more.  For example, a seller with this fear might point out in the first example above that if seller Kumar lists his parcel at $45,000 he eliminates the chance of getting an offer at, say, $48,000.

This is a good point.  Kumar is seriously reducing the chance of getting $48,000.  However what Kumar is gaining, in return, is a dramatic increase in the probability of actually selling at his reserve price of $45,000 as opposed to not selling at all and getting $0.

A caveat though:  While in most cases sellers will not receive an offer over their list price, five of the 64 land parcels that I have sold in 2012 have had multiple offers, a bidding war ensued, and they did sell for over the asking price.  As two examples, this Lake County parcel priced at $124,000 sold for $128,000 and this Monterey Hills lot priced at $24,000 sold for $30,000.  So it does happen that parcels sell for more than their list price.

Fear of low ball offers

Sellers often comment that they want to add a negotiation cushion, artificially raising the price, because they don’t want to receive what they consider to be “low ball” offers.  Essentially they’re adding this cushion in an effort to trick buyers into submitting an offer that is closer to the price that they’re actually willing to accept.  These sellers have a strong psychological aversion to low offers and may even be personally offended by them.

My attitude is that all offers are good offers because they are simply invitations to negotiate, not the final selling price.  Buyers do not mean their offers to be criticisms of you or your land.  Set aside your emotions.  Just tell your agent to thank the buyer for their offer, whatever it is, and give the buyer a polite written signed counteroffer at, or very close to, your asking price.  If the buyer declines, just go back to sipping your latte without missing a beat.

Fear of standing firm on price 

My proposed strategy of eliminating the negotiating cushion only makes sense as step 1 if you’re also planning to implement step 2 of the strategy which is to stand reasonably firm on your list price after receiving an offer.  Sometimes sellers worry about buyer’s expectations and have this vague sense that they somehow “must” negotiate and come down substantially after receiving an offer because dickering is customary.  They feel they need to “play ball” with buyers.  Some don’t want to offend the buyer by standing firm.  Sometimes sellers worry that their own agent will insist that they lower their price during negotiation and they don’t want to argue with their agent.  Sometimes land sellers fear that the buyer will walk if they remain firm.

To sellers I will quote Dr. Phil:  “You wouldn’t worry so much about what other people thought about you if you knew how seldom they did.”  Don’t fret so much about everyone else!  If, after receiving an offer that is lower than your asking price, standing firm seems to be in your best interest then do that. If, upon reflection, you feel that negotiation is in your best interest then do that.  Do whatever is best for you at the time.

Advice to Sellers:

Consider eliminating that negotiation cushion in order to get your listing price down to a level where you can attract one of those rare offers.  Listen to your Realtor’s advice but make your own decisions.  And never let a buyer push you around.

Advice to Buyers:

Offer whatever you want on that vacant land parcel.  However, if a parcel is well-priced to begin with, consider the possibility that a seller might counter at, or close to, full price.

Advice to Agents:

When there are many competing parcels on the market, encourage your sellers to consider eliminating the “negotiation cushion” in the list price.  Explain that only a fraction of land listings actually sell in this economy and the purpose is to help attract a rare offer.  Let them know that they may still receive offers less than full price, but reassure them that how they respond to such offers is their decision (not yours).  They always have the option of giving the buyer a counteroffer at, or very close to, full price.  It’s their choice.  Explain that if they don’t eliminate the negotiation cushion they may never receive an offer to negotiate at all in this terrible economy.  That’s why it’s important!

 

Have you had any experiences negotiating with or without a “negotiation cushion”?  Send me a comment!

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When You Don’t Have Enough Cash: How to Find Seller-Financed Land for Sale

 

With bank loans virtually non-existent for vacant land, buyers have two options:  1) Pay cash or, 2) Arrange seller financing.

What does it mean when the seller “carries the loan” or offers “seller financing”?  In short, it means that the buyer puts some money down, title transfers to the buyer at closing, the buyer becomes the new owner and the seller becomes the lender.  The buyer then makes payments to the previous owner just like they would make payments to a bank.  The previous owner has a recorded lien on the property allowing them to foreclose if the new owner doesn’t pay.

So as a buyer, how you can you find land for sale where the seller is offering owner financing?  Here are some tips:

1)   Try Craigslist.  Yes, yes, I know a lot of people shy away from Craigslist because of those “other” sections.  But put on your blinders – you don’t have to look there!  Go where the nice people go, the HOUSING > REAL ESTATE FOR SALE section!  (Although it’s somewhat of a misnomer, the “housing” section is the place to find all real estate, including vacant land.

Craigslist is a good place to find seller financed properties because, in addition to listings offered by Realtors, it also includes land For Sale by Owner (FSBO).  Search using the terms like these:

  • “seller financing”
  • “owner financing”
  • “carry”
  • “OWC” (which stands for Owner Will Carry)
  • “OMC”  (which stands for Owner May Carry)
  • “bank” (which picks up phrases like “no bank needed”)
  • “finance” or “seller” (which picks up phrases like “seller will finance”).

When searching, be careful to avoid being overly restrictive in your search.  For example, if you search on the restrictive phrase “no bank needed” you will not pick up listings that say “bank not needed” so you should search on the less restrictive term “bank.”  Similarly, “seller financing” will not pick up “seller will finance”.  So be careful how you search and don’t string too many words together.

Note that these search terms will also pick up some listings that may not interest you.  Depending on the county you’re looking in, a search on “carry” may also pick up the “carry”ing capacity of wells, or the number livestock the acreage will “carry” or phrases you don’t want such as “seller will NOT carry”.  You’ll have to sift through a collection of ads to find those where the seller is offering to carry the loan.

2)   Zillow is another good place to find seller financed land.  The national website Zillow contains most, but not all, MLS listings and many FSBO listings as well.  To find owner financed properties, enter terms and phrase like those mentioned above into the Keywords search field.  This will identify only those parcels that have these terms/phrases in the paragraph remarks of the listing.  However, it will not pick up parcels where the seller is offering financing but the agent entered that detail in the special financing or terms field but not in the paragraph field in the MLS.  The specific financing field is not syndicated to Zillow so you can’t search it.  Below is how you might search for land in Los Angeles California looking for property paragraphs that contain the keyword “carry”.

 

3)  For a complete search of all owner-financed land listings represented by Realtors, ask a real estate agent to search the MLS for you.  Most Realtors belong to one local MLS so be sure to find an agent with access to the particular MLS that that has the most comprehensive coverage of the geographic location that interests you, e.g., if you’re interested in Siskiyou County land do not ask a San Francisco area agent to help you.  Ask an agent who specializes in Siskiyou County.  The Realtor can search for owner financed land meeting all of your criteria. 

For example, in the Inland Valley MLS in southern California a Realtor could search on the following:  TERMS=Owner May Carry OR Owner Will Carry OR Submit.  The difference between “may carry” and “will carry” is probably clear – “may” means that the seller is not fully committed to offering financing and has a definite preference of for cash.  Whether such a seller will carry the loan or not depends on the details of your offer.  “Will” means that the seller is likely to carry with acceptable terms.  “Submit” can mean any number of things.  It often means that the agent has not discussed the possibility of carrying with the seller but the agent has the sixth sense that there is a slight chance that the seller will carry and so is encouraging you to submit an offer that she will present to the seller so that you can find out.  Listings that say only “submit” may or may not be worth your time to investigate depending on how motivated you are to identify such properties. 

In one Sacramento area MLS, the MetroList, the name of the relevant database field is different. It’s called “Financing” rather than “Terms”.   Your Realtor would search on FINANCING=Owner Financing OR Creative OR Submit.  Again, listings that say only “creative” or “submit” may or may not be worth your time depending on how many land listings you want to wade through. 

When searching the MLS, it is essential that you have a Realtor do this search MLS because, even though you  may find the MLS on the web, there is no place online where you, as a buyer, have independent access to search the specific data fields such as TERMS or FINANCING.  Sites such as Zillow.com, Trulia.com, Realtor.com, Redfin.com, etc. contain the same MLS land listings that your Realtor is searching. However, these sites do not allow you to search on specific financing fields like these.

4)  Land-specific websites such as LandsofAmerica also allow you to search for specific terms and phrases mentioned above.  These sites do not contain all land listings syndicated from the MLS and so are not comprehensive.  However, a really cool thing on LandsofAmerica is you can use the advanced search feature and select the box in the pricing section called “Show Owner Financing Properties Only”. 

At the website LandandFarm you can search for land and select the box “Seller financing” to limit your search.  Super easy.

5)  While most Realtors list and sell land owned by other people, some Realtors sell their own land.  Firms specializing in this often offer in-house “owner” financing.  One example is DesertLand.  Some of these real estate companies may purchase land at tax sales at low prices and then resell the parcels at higher prices.  To find real estate companies like these, try searching Google on “real estate” “land” “owner financing” “California”.

6)  Some traditional Realtors who specialize in selling land owned by other people indicate on their website when seller financing is offered by the sellers.  For example we at Land22 Real Estate spell out the terms that the owner may accept in the “Terms” field on our site.  As one example, here is a listing for 160 acres in the Red Bluff area of California where the owner is offering seller financing.

7)  If you find a parcel that interests you by driving by, in the newspaper, or anywhere on the internet, and there’s no indication that the seller will carry the loan, it’s still possible that the owner will consider seller financing.  Most likely the listing agent just hasn’t discussed this option with the seller yet.  Feel free to contact the listing agent and ask.  However there’s a certain way you should go about approaching the agent to increase the odds of getting a favorable response.  Do not ask the vague question “will the seller carry?”  This is because the agent’s answer will often be “I don’t know”.  If you then encourage the agent to go and ask the seller, you will likely receive the frustrating reply from the seller of “it depends on the terms” or “submit a written offer”. 

So when asking if the seller will carry the loan it will benefit you to give the listing agent five pieces of information with your query.  These are:  1) The price you would offer, 2) proposed down payment, 3) interest rate, 4) term (length of the loan), and 5) monthly payment.  You can play with these parameters and calculate your monthly payment at the Mortgage-calc site where you can use the “Simple Mortgage Calculator”. 

Here is a sample e-mail query that you might send to a listing agent:  “Dear Broker Juarez:  I’m interested in your listing at 99 Main St in Alturas California.  Would the seller consider carrying the loan at a purchase price of $100,000 with $20,000 down, at 8% interest for 5 years?  Payments would be $1,622.11 per month.”  Conclude your e-mail with “If the answer is Yes, I will go view the property this week.”  Alternatively, to increase the chances of getting a response from the agent, and if true, you might conclude your e-mail with “If the answer is Yes, I am prepared to work with you to submit a written offer.”

Advice to Buyers

The purpose of this blog post is to show you where to find owner financed land for sale.  I do not discuss here whether you should or should not purchase land this way.  There are many factors to consider in making this decision and I’ll have to save that for a future blog post.  However before I can rest easy sending you out into the wild and wooly seller financing wilderness, I want to be sure to at least give you a flashlight and mention a couple of things you should be aware of:  

First, always insist on a formal escrow and especially title insurance in every real estate purchase to make sure the property is being delivered to you free and clear of all liens and all clouds on title.  I mention this because seeking owner financing might lead you to work with a FSBO where there is no agent to protect you and remind you of the importance of this.

Second, be skeptical of so called “Land Contracts” which do not actually transfer title to you at closing.  With a Land Contract the seller retains title until you pay it off.  It’s more like making payments on a car where you don’t get the pink slip (title) until you make your last payment.  Land Contracts are not the norm with seller financing on land in California.  It is far more common for title to be transferred to the buyer at closing and for the seller to become the lender with a lien, just Wells Fargo.  An example of a potentially problematic opportunity is when you see an ad like the one below:

Think about it:  If you’re only putting $990 down, is the seller really going to put that small pittance toward escrow and title insurance and keep nothing for themselves out of your down payment?  Could it be that this is a “Land Contract” situation where no escrow is being used and no title insurance is being offered to protect you?  Is title really going to be transferred to you at closing with virtually no “skin in the game” or is the seller going to retain title while you make payments?  Unless the seller is requiring 20% down it could be a land contract situation.  Ask the hard questions before laying your money down.

Advice to Sellers

In today’s blog post, I do not discuss whether you should or should not offer seller financing.  That’s a long subject and will have to wait for another day.  However, if you have already decided that you may be willing to carry the loan, do be sure that your agent features this benefit in marketing materials because it will be attractive to buyers and increase the odds of selling your land.  In particular, your Realtor should put this benefit in both in the Financing/Terms database field in the MLS and also in the initial paragraph description of your property.  It is important that it appear in the introductory paragraph field because the more specific financing fields are not syndicated to the national sites that buyers have access to such as Zillow while the paragraph field is.

Advice to Agents

Do you have a buyer who is cash-poor?  No problem.  Seller financing is commonly offered for vacant land.  Use the methods described here to identify parcels for your buyers where the seller will carry.  If you can’t find what you’re looking for, don’t hesitate to ask the listing agent on any parcel if the seller will carry.  They may say yes!

 

Have you found places on the internet with great seller financed land deals?  Leave me a comment.  I would love to hear from you!

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To Improve the Odds of Selling Your Land, Write to the Neighbors

Here’s one of my best tips to improve the chance of selling your land:  Send a letter and brochure advertising your parcel for sale to all of your neighbors!

Perhaps you’re thinking: “Nah, I’ve lived here 15 years.  I know all my neighbors.  They already know my land is for sale.  Besides, I have a sign on it.  My broker doesn’t need to go to the trouble of writing a bunch of boring letters.” 

Well, you’re mistaken!  In fact, I’ve increased my sales by 20% just by writing to the neighbors.  I’ll explain more on that later.  But for now, consider the following points:

1)      Your vacant land parcel probably has other vacant land parcels near it.  The owners of those parcels may not live nearby and so won’t see the sign.  They may live in Oregon, New Jersey, or Canada.  You need to let them know about the availability of your parcel by writing to them!

2)      Even for those owners who live nearby, getting a personalized invitation in the mail to purchase your land has more impact than just driving by and seeing a sign stuck in the weeds every day.  Your neighbors will grow so accustomed to that faded sign that they won’t even see it any more. 

3)      Delivering something in the mail sends your neighbors send the message that you are serious about selling your land.  When they receive your mailing they will likely realize that they are not the only one getting a letter.  It will start to dawn on them that if they don’t buy your land someone else will (!) and then they may have a McMansion blocking their view.  Or they may wake up one morning and find a single-wide mobile home and bunch of barking dogs on the parcel that they’ve been thinking of as their informal side-yard all these years.

4)      Even if the neighbor isn’t interested in purchasing your land, they may know someone who is.   If they have a paper brochure in their hand they may give it to a friend or relative.

5)      People who already own real estate in your neighborhood don’t need as much convincing about the fabulosity of the area.  They may be your best prospects!

6)      A letter gives your neighbors a kind of implied “heads up” that they should expect to see strangers (i.e., potential buyers and their agents) out walking on your land.  This way they will not fret about it.

7)      A mailing gives your broker the opportunity to market their services to the neighbor in selling the neighbor’s property too.  This can be helpful to you in selling your parcel for any number of reasons.  For example, if your parcel of land is landlocked (i.e., does not have road access or a legal easement) and the neighbor owns the parcel between your land and the road, it would benefit you to have your Realtor list the neighbor’s land for sale simultaneously.  This is because a buyer may wish to purchase both parcels.  As a second example, if your parcel is too small to build on it might be large enough when combined with the neighbor’s parcel.  A third example is when the neighbor owns a home.  Sometimes the neighbor will agree to list their home with your Realtor and the buyer will purchase both the home and your adjacent vacant land as a buffer.  There are many other scenarios where having your Realtor list the neighbor’s property in addition with yours can be beneficial to you.  So having your Realtor write to the neighbors is the first step in seeing if that’s a possibility.

 

What Should the Letter to the Neighbors Say?

Here’s what my letter says:

“Dear Mary Jones,

I am writing to let you know about the availability of a parcel of land near property that you own in <INSERT CITY>, California.  The parcel for sale (parcel number <INSERT APN FOR SALE> at <INSERT ADDRESS FOR SALE>) and your property (parcel number <INSERT NEIGHBOR’S APN>) are shown on the map in the enclosed brochure. 

I find that sometimes neighboring property owners are interested in acquiring nearby land.  With that in mind, I am writing to ask whether you might be interested in purchasing my client’s parcel?  The asking price is only <INSERT PRICE>. 

More information is available at www.land22.com.

I would be happy to answer any questions you might have.  Or, if you would like to sell lots or land that you own I can help you with that as well.  Land22 has offices in Palm Springs and Sacramento and we sell land all over California.  I can be reached at (760) 219-3313 Monday-Friday 10-5 or tammy@land22.com anytime.

Thank you for considering this opportunity.

Sincerely,  

Tammy Tengs, Sc.D.

Broker/Owner

Land22 Real Estate”

 

Important Features of the Letter:

1)      Keep it short.  After all, you will be including a brochure with it that has all the details on your land. 

2)      The letter should be directed to each neighbor by name, not to “Dear Neighbor”.  Your Realtor can look up the names and addresses of your neighbors in title records.

3)      Remember, this may not be the only parcel that the neighbor owns.  Many people own numerous parcels, sometimes in several states.  For this reason, be sure to orient the person reading the letter right off the bat to which of their many parcels you’re writing to them about.  So include the city and mention that it’s in California.  If it’s in a well-known area within a metropolitan area, put that instead of the city.  For example, say it’s in “Malibu” not “Los Angeles”.

4)      It’s critical to include not only the parcel number (APN) of the property you’re selling but also the APN of the neighbor’s parcel.  This way the neighbor can easily see that the APNs are very similar.  This will increase their confidence that the two parcels are near one another.  For example if you’re selling APN 1234-567-89 be sure to include that along with the neighbor’s APN 1234-567-90 in the letter so the neighbor will say to herself “hey, those numbers are similar, that has to be right near my land!” 

5)      If an address for the land you’re selling is available, include that in the letter as well.  If an address is unavailable, include just the street the parcel is on.  If the parcel is not on a legal street but it is near a legal street say “off <street name>” instead of “on <street name>”.  Again, your goal is for the neighbor to immediately think “gee, that’s (just around the corner from) the street my property is on”.

6)      The letter must be well-written with no typos.  No matter how good a broker you are, you’re going to look dumb if it includes errors.  If you’re not the best writer in the world, one way to write an error-free letter is to use the spell- and grammar-check features in your word processing software and keep the letter very short.  Write one paragraph and refer neighbors to the longer brochure.  If you write a longer letter, ask someone who writes professionally, or who has at least taken a college-level writing course, to review and edit it.  A final suggestion is to use the services of an online editor such as Edit Avenue.  (I used their services when I was at the University of California Irvine and they are amazing and so helpful!)  After you have confidence that this first letter is grammatical and well-written, you can re-use it as a template on future properties so if you choose an editing service, you only need to pay for it once.

7)      If you don’t want to create multiple original letters for multiple neighbors, learn how to use the mail merge feature in your word processing software.  Create a little data file of the names, addresses, and parcel numbers and merge them into a single form letter so that the letter appears customized for each neighbor.

 

Important Features of the Envelope

You’re probably going to think I’ve gone off my rocker discussing features of the envelope.  But if you’re going to go to all this trouble to send this mailing, you don’t want your neighbors to toss the envelope in the trash without even opening it because they mistake it for junk mail!

Direct marketing researchers actually study response rates for various features of envelopes, did you know that?  Based on their research here are my tips for your envelope:

1)      Use colorful stamps.  Do not use the standard flag stamps and never meter the envelopes.  Instead of making repeated trips to the post office, buy several hundred stamps at a time.  Any crazy stamp will do.  The less staid it is the more likely your letter will look personal and the more likely the recipient will open it.

2)      The return address should be the Realtor’s first and last name and mailing address.  It should not include the real estate company name or the neighbor might toss it without even opening it thinking that it is just another general solicitation from a Realtor.  (The letter inside should be on company letterhead however, because by the time they see the letter they have already opened the envelope.)

3)      Do not use address labels or see-through window envelopes.  Print, type or handwrite the neighbor’s address directly onto the envelope.  You do not want it to look like a mass mailing.  It should look like personal correspondence.

4)      Use the neighbor’s actual name whenever possible.  For example if the property is officially owned by the “Mary Jones Separate Property Trust 1998”, address the envelope (and direct the letter) to just “Mary Jones”.

5)      Omit Mr., Ms. or Mrs.  The reason is that you don’t want to get it wrong.  A Ms. might be offended to be called Mrs. and visa-versa.  And a Mr. named Leslie will certainly be offended if you mess up and call him Ms.

 

The Most Important Feature of the Brochure

I will discuss how to create brochures in general in a future blog post but for now you can see many examples in the PDF brochures posted for listing on the Land22 website.  Obviously, the brochure will include things like the price, size of the parcel, zoning, availability of utilities, photos, contact information for the Realtor, etc.

Here I will mention only the single most critical feature of the brochure for the purpose of writing to the neighbors:  You must include in the brochure a map where both the property for sale and the neighbor’s property are highlighted.  I usually do this on a plat map but you could do it on another type of map such as an aerial map.  The purpose of this is to show the neighbor where their property is located relative to the land for sale.  For example, if their property is adjacent it’s especially important that they see clearly that the borders of the two properties touch.  Use colored highlighting to accomplish that. 

In theory you could do the highlighting neatly on the computer but I do it by hand with a colored highlighter pen.  The rest of the brochure is computer generated so this hand-drawn touch draws attention and personalizes it.  Obviously, the parcel for sale will be highlighted the same way each time, while the highlighting for each neighbor will differ.  Be sure to write a note such as “your adjacent property” or “your land across the street” and draw and arrow pointing to the neighbor’s real estate.  It is important to include this note because you don’t want the neighbor to get alarmed thinking that you’re mistakenly trying to sell their parcel.

Here is an example.  The property for sale is highlighted in yellow and the neighbor’s property is highlighted in pink:

 

Below is a second example.  In this case the parcel for sale is highlighted in orange and the neighbor owned property that is adjacent, but not on the same plat map, highlighted in blue:

Wait, you may be thinking, don’t neighbors already know where their own land is located?  No, many do not!  And even if they do, most could not locate it on a plat map.  Further, they still need to be shown where their land is as it relates to the land your selling.  The parcel number (APN) is helpful but not sufficient because most people cannot read plat maps.  So pull out that colored highlighter!

 

Where Do You Get The Mailing Addresses?

If your land is listed for sale with a California Realtor, your agent can easily access the names and addresses of your neighbors from an online title records database.  One such database is Realist available to all California real estate agents who belong to a Multiple Listing Service (MLS).

One way an agent can locate the names and addresses in Realist is to use the parcel number (APN).  For example, if your parcel number is APN 1234-567-89 and the Realtor wants to locate all parcels on the same plat map, she can search on just APN 1234-567 (omitting the -89 at the end).  This will generate a list of owners of 1234-567-01, 1234-567-02, etc.

If the parcel you’re selling is located at the corner of a plat map you may wish to search for neighbors on adjacent plat map(s) too.  The way I do that is to poke around using the aerial map feature in Realist.  I locate the parcel I’m selling on the Realist map and then click on adjacent parcels to see who owns them.

If you have not listed your land for sale with a Realtor, I do not know of any easy systematic way that you can access the names and mailing addresses of all of your neighbors. (Further, I could give you 10 or more reasons why you should be selling your land through a Realtor rather than For Sale by Owner, but I’ll save that for another blog post.)  If you have listed your property with a Realtor you should certainly not be doing any marketing independent of your Realtor’s efforts, and this includes sending brochures to the neighbors.  That would be a violation of your listing agreement.   Let your Broker do it, that’s her job.

 

How Many Neighbors Should You Write To?

The number of neighbors that your broker should send letters and brochures depends on the circumstances.  Here are some rules of thumb:

1)      Always send a mailing to every property owner who owns real estate directly adjacent at the edges and corners of the parcel for sale.  The only exceptions would be if the neighbor was the federal or state government or a bank.  For example, if Bank of America owns the house next door, the reason is because they recently foreclosed on it.  The bank is not going to be interested in buying your land.  Skip them.

2)      Always send a mailing to the property owner across the street.

3)      Always send a mailing to any property owner who would be disadvantaged for any reason by someone building on this parcel, e.g., because their view would be blocked.  These neighbors may be motivated to purchase.

4)      Send a mailing to “like” property owners on the same or adjacent plat map.  For example, I am currently listing a commercial-zoned parcel that is near other commercial lots but also near residential and multi-family property.  I reasoned that the commercial property neighbors are likely to be interested in expanding their commercial holdings but the single family homeowners may be uninterested.

5)      Don’t hesitate to write to neighbors some distance away if you think they may be buyers.  After all, it’s only costing you a postage stamp and the time to enter one more name into your data file.  For example, if you’re selling agricultural acreage, it doesn’t hurt to write to other farm owners a mile away.

6)      I often send mailings to 50-100% the property owners on the plat map and several who are on the adjacent plat map.  I write to 2-25 neighbors per property, depending on the circumstances.  Sometimes I will write to a small handful of the closest neighbors and then, if I don’t get any response from them, I will enlarge the pool and write to those farther away.

7)      If the seller drops the price at any point, I send a second mailing with the brochure alone.  The revised brochure will show the new price.  The parcel for sale will be marked, but I do not repeat the highlighting of the neighbors parcel and I do not send a second letter.  The purpose of this second mailing just to get the new lower price in front of the neighbor.

 

What if You Have Sketchy Neighbors?

What if you, as seller, don’t get along with one or more of the neighbors? 

This issue may take many forms.  Maybe the neighbor is a drug dealer.  Maybe the neighbor’s shed is encroaching on your land and you’ve had a dispute over it.  Maybe the neighbor borrowed your lawnmower and didn’t return it for 3 months.  Maybe the neighbor has a Romney sign in his front yard and you’re a die-hard Obama supporter.  Maybe the neighbor would not give you the easement for access that you asked for. 

Well first, remember that all you’re trying to do now is sell your land.  Don’t let issues like this prevent you from achieving your goal.  Second, remember it is your Realtor, not you, who will be writing these letters. And it is your Realtor, not you, who will be responding to any inquiries from neighbors who express interest in purchasing your land.  You will never have to talk to the sketchy neighbor regarding the sale of your land, even if they submit an offer.  It’s purely a paperwork thing.  Third, some of these so-called “problems” can actually be blessings and work to your advantage when you go to sell your land.  For example, if the neighbor’s shed is encroaching on your land, one way for the neighbor to solve this issue is to simply buy your land.  The neighbor can then go down to the city or county and try to combine your parcel with their parcel or do a lot-line adjustment.  Problem solved.  Further, the neighbor who will not give you an easement may want to buy your adjacent parcel just to prevent some other buyer from purchasing your land and continuing to ask him for an easement.  To repeat, what may seem like a problem can actually be a benefit to you because it can motivate a neighbor to buy your land.  But you must keep in mind that the goal is not to “win” or get along with the neighbor.  The goal is to sell your land.

However, if you feel it’s absolutely necessary you can always suggest to your Realtor that they not send letters to one or more select neighbors. I don’t necessarily recommend holding back letters in this way, but maybe you have a good reason that I can’t imagine right now.  In any case, your broker should still go ahead and send a mailing to all the rest.

True story:  I was representing a seller in southern California one time and I mentioned to her that I was sending letters and brochures to the nearby land owners.  She grew a little alarmed and told me not to send anything to one particular neighbor.  I didn’t understand why, and I didn’t ask why, but I agreed.  A few months later the seller decided to lower the price on her land.  As I prepared to send a second mailing with the new price, she said it was OK for me to send a mailing to all neighbors including the neighbor originally passed over.  So, who calls me to submit an offer?  It was that one neighbor!  It turned out she was the seller’s sister!  Their parents had left one half of the family farm to each sister in their will.  The sisters had had a falling out for reasons I never knew and had not spoken in some time.  The seller’s sister interpreted my letter as a kind of olive branch extended by her sibling (and perhaps it was unbenounced to me).   The sister was so happy to have the chance to buy the land, she submitted a full price offer and agreed to pay most of the closing costs.  After escrow closed, sister called sister to thank her.  The siblings ended up talking again and the both parcels comprising the “family farm” were intact once more.

 

Alternatives to US Mail

If you’re under age 30, you might be wondering why I’m recommending snail mail. 

Why not just e-mail the notice to the neighbors, or Facebook them or Tweet them?  Or for that matter, why not pick up the phone and call?  The reason is that none of this contact information is associated with their parcel number in title records.  Only their mailing address appears there.  I know you might have the phone number of the neighbor next door, but you probably don’t have the phone number of the neighbor who owns California land two blocks away from your parcel but lives in Wisconsin.

If you want to spend time sleuthing on-line trying to figure out alternate contact information, such as their e-mail address, that might also work, but it does not seem worth the additional effort. 

If you’re selling a $1 million+ parcel and really want to get the attention of select neighbors you might send your letter and fancy brochure by Federal Express.

 

Results from Writing to the Neighbors:

Why did I choose the two examples above?  Why did I show you those particular highlighted plat maps?  Because both of those parcels actually sold to the neighbors!

For the first property, I wrote to nine neighbors and received phone calls from two of them.  The seller, who lived in another state and was not in communication with his neighbors on this vacant land parcel, accepted a full price offer from the neighbor highlighted above before another neighbor’s daughter got around to deciding to submit a second offer.

In the second example, title records revealed that two landowners dominated ownership of all the lots in that immediate area.  So I sent only two letters.  The landowner who owned the fewest parcels called to submit an offer.  This buyer lived several hundred miles away and might never have known about the availability of this parcel if I had not written a letter.

Out of 59 parcels I’ve sold so far in 2012, I have sold 10 to neighbors who received my mailing.  Many of these neighbors lived far away from the land for sale.  If we do the math, this means that if I had not sent these mailings to the neighbors on every one of my listings I might have sold 49 parcels instead of 59 parcels.  Thus, by writing to the neighbors on all of my listings, I may have improved the odds of selling each client’s parcels by up to 20%. 

 

Advice to Sellers:

Would you like to improve the probability of selling your land by 20%?  E-mail this blog post to your Realtor.  Suggest that one marketing method she should use is to send letters and brochures to the neighbors.

 

Advice to Agents:

Forget ancient (and sometimes costly) marketing methods such as advertising in print newspapers.  Write to the neighbors!

I won’t lie.  This will take you some time especially if you haven’t done it before.  If you follow all of the steps I’ve outlined here, it may take you about 8 hours the first time you do it.  

Let’s go over the steps again:  1) Create an attractive brochure.  The most time-consuming part of this is researching and assembling all the information that you want to put into the brochure such as zoning, utilities and aerial maps.  2) Search title records for the neighbors mailing addresses.  3) Enter the neighbor’s names, addresses, and parcel numbers into a database or data file via export/import, cut and paste, or manual data entry.  4) Compose the letter to the neighbors.  5) Figure out how to do mail merge if you don’t already know.  6) Buy some colorful stamps at the post office.  7) Print out the envelopes, letters and brochures.  8)  Highlight the parcel for sale and the neighbor’s parcels, one by one.  9) Fold the letters and brochures and stuff the envelopes.  10) Mail it all and wait for the phone to ring!

If it takes you 8 hours to do this the first time, it will only take you maybe 6 hours the second time you do it.  This is because you will have a brochure and letter template that you can edit and recycle.  You will have figured out how to do a mail merge.  You will already have some colorful stamps left over!  I have it down to a system of about 4-5 hours per mailing now.

One caveat is that the parcel really does have to be fairly priced for this marketing strategy to work.  If it is over-priced, the neighbors will not bite.  Remember, it is the neighbors who are more likely than any other type of buyer to be aware of recent sales in the area and what the land is really worth in the current economy.  While a buyer from outside the area may be unfamiliar with local prices, a neighbor will almost certainly not overpay.

The advantage of doing all this work on every listing is, of course, it that you should see a 20% increase in sales.  This may translate into a 20% increase in your commission income.

In addition, you may experience other side benefits.  Neighbors may call you and ask you to list their land parcel too.  They may ask you to list their home.  They may refer you to someone they know who wants to sell their real estate elsewhere.  I’ve had neighbors file away my brochure and then call me 3 years later and say now they’re ready to list their property and can I help?

Try it!  When selling land, write to the neighbors! 

 

What are some of your experiences marketing land to the neighbors?

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Most Agents Sell 18-19% Of Their Land Listings In 1 Year; But LAND22 Sells Over 55%

This year on my September birthday I started wondering about the sellers who called me a year ago and asked for opinions on how to price their land.  Where are they now?  Did the sellers who didn’t list with my firm Land22 Real Estate ever sell their land?

I keep a database of every land owner who calls me.  I record their parcel number, county, price their parcel was listed at previously, the research I did on price, the price I said I’d list their land at, details about our conversation, etc.   So this month I searched my database for the parcels owned by sellers who contacted me between August 1 and August 31, 2011.  I chose that month because over a year has elapsed since then.  So this should be plenty of time for their parcel to sell if they priced it right and listed it with an agent who marketed it well.

Land22 Database Research:

Here’s what I found in my research:

I gave price opinions on 38 land parcels between August 1 and August 31, 2011.

  • 17 of the 38 parcels were not listed with any agent in the past year
  • 10 of the 38 parcels were listed with some other agent during the past year.  Of those 10, 1 sold, 1 is in escrow and 8 did not sell. 
  • 11 of the 38 parcels were listed with my firm Land22 Real Estate.  Of those 11, 7 sold and 4 did not sell.

Regarding the 17 parcels that were never listed, that seems like a reasonable decision for those sellers.  Prices were low in August of 2011 and many sellers decided not to sell during the current economic recession.  That makes perfect sense to me.

As for the 10 parcels listed with other agents, I notice that only 2 of the 10 sold or went into escrow in a one year period.  That’s 20%.

However, for the 11 parcels listed with my firm Land22, we sold 7 out of our 11 listings.  That’s 63%.

 

Multiple Listing Service (MLS) Research:

So I decided to look more generally at whether these low sales statistics on land, for other brokers, are the rule or some aberration.  I asked:  “What percent of all California land parcels listed in the MLS in August 2011 were sold one year later?”

Because my firm Land22 Real estate sells land in all California counties, I belong to many different MLS systems.  So for this research I looked at two large systems: one in northern California (MetroList) and one in southern California (IMRMLS).  The IMRMLS actually has many listings from all California counties, including central and northern California, and is therefore quite large.

Here is my research from the northern California MLS for the month of August 2011:

  • 273 land listings were entered into the MLS that month
  • 54 of those 273 listings sold in the next year
  • This means that 19% (calculated as 54/273) of the land listings entered into this northern California MLS in August 2011 sold in one year.

Here is my research from the southern California MLS for the month of August 2011:

  • 1178 new land listings were entered into the MLS that month
  • 208 of those 1178 listings sold in the next year
  • This means that 18% (calculated as 208/1178) of the land listings entered into this southern California MLS in August 2011 sold in one year.

I also looked to see whether Land22’s comparatively high sales statistics of 63% for land listed in August 2011 were a fluke or the norm.  Looking back at all of our listings since summer of 2011 I find that we at Land22 have sold 55% of our land listings.  (Note that a full year has not elapsed for many of these – for example a lot listed a month ago hasn’t had time to sell.  This is one reason why the 55% is lower than the 63% from August 2011.)

 

Conclusion:

So let’s summarize this:  18-19% of other brokers land listings sell in one year.  However 55-63% of Land22’s land listings sell in one year.

 

 

Caveats and Limitations

I used to be a university professor at the University of California at Irvine.  Even though I’m now a land broker, the scientific method still runs in my blood.  (You can take the girl out of the university but you can’t take the university out of the girl….)  Scientists are trained to recognize and acknowledge the limitations of their own research.  I would hardly call this “research” – more of a database exploration – but here are a few limitations nevertheless:  I looked only at only one month so other months may differ.  I looked at two California MLS systems so other MLS systems may differ.  It is possible that a few of the properties listed in August 2011 with, say, Agent X, expired without selling and were then listed with Agent Y and sold during the 12 months.  This exploration is not intended to capture dynamic agent jumping. 

Nevertheless, it does seem that a terribly small percentage of other agent’s land listings actually sell in one year.

 

Why Is Land22 Selling Over 55% Of Their Listings  While Other Agents Are Selling  Only 18-19%?

There are 4 main reasons:

  1. We market our listings extensively
  2. We provide helpful maps and driving directions so buyers and their agents can locate the land
  3. We answer our phone most of the time Monday-Friday 10-5
  4. We do a good job of assisting sellers in arriving at a reasonable price

 

Advice to Sellers Who Didn’t List With Land22: 

Here, if my mama hadn’t raised me right, I might be tempted to say something street like “so how do you like me now?”  After all, my firm Land22 Real Estate sold 55-63% of our land listings while other agents sold only 18-19%!  Your parcel didn’t sell and you should have listed with us a year ago! 

But being the professional that I am, I won’t say that.  Instead I will say this:  Come on back.  I know you felt obligated one year ago to list your land with your brother in law or that nice lady who sold you your house – but if your California land still hasn’t sold we invite you to list with Land22 now.  We still love you.

 

Advice to Other Sellers:

If you really want to sell in the next 6 months, I encourage you to listen intently to our sage pricing advice, review the marketing plan posted on our website, and list with Land22 Real Estate.  Remember, we specialize in selling land in all California counties and sell a piece of land every 6 days.

Now I know you may be thinking: “I don’t want an 18%, 19%, 55% or 63% chance of selling my land.  I want to get rid of the darn thing.  I want 100% chance of selling it!”  Well, I encourage you to rethink that.  Because the only way an agent can essentially promise that it will sell with absolute certainty is to offer it at a super super super low price.  I don’t think you really want to do that.  And any agent who promises with 100% certainty that it will sell and also suggests pricing it at an average or high price is kidding you about the likelihood that it will sell. 

 

Advice to Buyers:

Remember, statistically, 81-82% of land parcels do not sell.  What does this tell you as a buyer?   It tells you that many land listings are so overpriced that they are what I would call “imaginary listings”.  They may look like listings; they may act like listings; but in reality they are simply floating out there cluttering up the MLS at prices so unrealistically high that no one pays any attention to them – and you shouldn’t either.  Just ignore them. 

For example, if a parcel is priced at $350,000 and you feel it is worth about $90,000 to you, there’s probably no room for negotiation.  This listing is of no importance to you. “Poof”!   It’s gone!  Put it out of your mind.  Don’t stress about how nice a parcel it is but how unreasonable the seller is to price it so high.  Don’t try to talk the agent or seller into lowering their crazy price.  If it’s priced that high such negotiation is useless.  Just treat it as what it is: nothing, imaginary.  Even though there are pretty photos in the MLS, it doesn’t really exist.  It is fiction because that land owner doesn’t really want to sell at today’s prices.  Move on down the road.  Buy something else.

On the other hand, it goes without saying that any parcel you’re interested in will be priced somewhat above what you want to pay.  However, a good rule of thumb is that if the value of the parcel to you is less than 50% of the asking price, your offer will likely be declined without a counteroffer so there’s no point in submitting an offer at all.  That is, only submit offers that are 50-100+% of the asking price.  Do not submit offers that are 0-49% of the asking price.

 

Advice to Agents

Consider referring your vacant land listings to us at Land22 Real Estate.  We will pay your firm a referral fee of 25% of the listing half of the commission and get’ er done.  Remember, 25% of something is better than 100% of nothing!

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Using Google Street View To Investigate Land

What if you could view land for sale and “walk the neighborhood” without leaving your home?

Well you can, using Google Street View!

How Does Google Collect Street View Images?

Google uses a fleet of cars that travel throughout California, the United States, and around the world.  Each car has one computer and a camera mounted on top.  Each camera has 15 lenses that take 360 degrees of photos.

How Do You Use Street View?

Open up Google Maps and search for a location that interests you.  The location can be an address, an intersection or just a street, city and state.  If the land itself does not have an advertised address, try to get the address of the house next door or the house across the street and enter that.

Click and drag the orange Pegman to the place you want to see.  To “walk down the street”, click on the white arrows overlaid on the street or use the up and down arrows on your keyboard.  Rotate the view to see 360 degrees using the wheel in the upper left corner.  You can play around with the Street View by clicking here.

Pegman

Who is Pegman?

Pegman is one of my most valued staff members here at Land22 Real Estate.  Using Google Street View, it’s like I send Pegman out to the parcel with a camera, direct his every move remotely, and he beams photos back to me.  Even better, he has a compliant personality, works for free, never needs a day off and doesn’t require medical insurance.  A fan of Project Runway, Pegman favors head-to-toe orange jumpsuits.

How Can Land Buyers and Sellers Benefit From Using Street View?

You can research all kinds of things.  Here’s a list of what I investigate with Google Street View:

  • Slope and terrain (Is the parcel steeply sloped?  Or is the terrain rolling or flat?)
  • Grading (Has a flat pad or driveway been graded on the parcel?)
  • Structures (Are there any outbuildings or other structures on the parcel?)
  • Utilities (Are there electric or telephone poles in the street?)
  • Water (Is there a fire hydrant at a street corner indicating availability of district water?  Or is a water tank or well house visible on the land?)
  • Signs (Is there an old real estate sign or “for sale by owner” sign on the parcel indicating the parcel has been on the market awhile?  Are there for sale signs on competing parcels nearby?)
  • Homes (Are there quality homes nearby or is it a rough looking neighborhood?)
  • Street (Is it paved or unpaved?)
  • Debris (Is there junk on the parcel?  Is the neighbor’s property an eyesore?)
  • View (Does it look like there may be a good view from the land?)
  • Fenced (Is it fully or partially fenced?  What kind of fencing is it?)
  • Cars (Are the cars parked on the street nice or old junkers?)

Example 1:  Rose Ave in Palm Springs

Let’s use Street View to investigate the neighborhood for a parcel I have listed on Rose Ave in Palm Springs:

Using Street View for the intersection of Rose and Stevens in Pam Springs, potential buyers can walk the neighborhood.  They will see that there is a modern house next door that looks like this:

Here is another image from Street View.  This is the house two doors down, a cool retro mid-century looking house typical of the neighborhood.

By rotating 360 degrees in Street View, you can see that the intersection where this parcel is located looks like this.  Hmmm, the property on the left appears to be a walled compound, must be an expensive estate there…

Oh my!  Using Street View I can see that half a block away there is another vacant land parcel with a real estate sign on it!  This tells us this lot was for sale at the time this Google image was taken.  I’ll have to check that out and see if it’s for sale and what the price is of my seller’s competitor.

Example 2:  Glenalbyn, Mt Washington, Los Angeles

Now let’s check out a parcel I sold recently in Mt Washington, Los Angeles.   Here is an image from Google Street View.

The parcel is on the left.  In this image the steep slope is very apparent.  Because this Google image was taken before I had the listing, the previous listing agent’s sign is on the parcel.   The presence of a sign tells you the parcel has been on the market awhile.  The sign is also useful in helping you to pinpoint the location of the parcel for sale in Street View.  It is also clear that utilities are available in the street.  However, you have to wonder whether the wires would obstruct the view if a house were built on the slope.  The quality of this Google image is not that great but it serves its purpose!

Example 3:  Meyer Lane, Valley Springs

Finally let’s check out a parcel in Valley Springs, Calaveras County that I sold a year ago:

In this Google Street View Image you can see the fire hydrant.   It’s helpful to look for hydrants because they indicate the presence of district water.  From this Street View image it is also clear that electricity is available, the terrain is flat, and the street is paved.

What’s not to love about flat buildable parcel with utilities?  You can see why it sold!

Google Street View is Not Available in All Locations

Google Street View is not available in some remote areas, nor is it available in gated communities.  If you try to drag Pegman over to a location and he starts giving you attitude, this means that there are no images available at that location.

When Street View proves unavailable at a location, I still ask Pegman to check out the nearest available intersection.  This way I can at least get a sense of the vegetation and terrain and the kind of neighborhood it is.  For example, if it’s nothing but forest three blocks away I may conclude the parcel I’m interested in is also forested.

Even when Street View is unavailable, you can still use the aerial map feature in Google to get a sense of whether there are houses close to the land or not.  The reason this is important is that the presence of nearby houses usually indicates that utilities are close to the land.  You can also see the terrain in the aerial map and judge whether the parcel is likely to be sloped or flat.

Google Street View Image is a Little Dated

Remember, the Google car with the camera on top did not drive by the parcel yesterday or even this year.  Images may be several years old.  Things change over time.  New neighborhood houses are built, for example, that weren’t there before.  So don’t use Google Street View to see how high the weeds are and whether it’s time for weed abatement on your land!  I find that it’s 98% accurate but it’s not quite that up-to-the minute! 

But personally, I find the historical view of the land at least as interesting as a 2012 view.  You can learn lots of things from older images.  (…hey, what’s that old singlewide doing on the land that’s not there any more…I wonder if that means there’s a septic system?  …hey, there’s a For Sale By Owner sign on the lot next door…I wonder if it sold, what it sold for, and if the same buyer would like to buy this parcel?)

Advice to Buyers

Don’t just rely on the real estate agent’s “beauty shots”.  Check out the real deal with Street View!

It’s time-consuming to drive all over looking at land.  Before calling the agent and before getting in your car to go view a parcel, use Google Street View to investigate it.  Make sure it’s something you want to see in person.  You may be able to eliminate some parcels from your list and save yourself some time!   Conversely. you may also find that a parcel that you were only faintly interested in based on the agent’s listing is actually super awesome when viewed from Street View.

Or maybe you’ve already seen the land yourself and now you want to “show” it to your friends, family, or investors.  Even if they’re not able to see the land in person, they can view it in Street View.

Advice to Sellers

Some land owners have never seen the land they own – does that describe you?   Perhaps you inherited it, purchased it at a tax sale sight-unseen, or bought it 30 years ago and you’ve forgotten what it looks like!  Check out your land and the surrounding neighborhood using Google Street View before putting your parcel on the market.

Advice to Agents

When someone calls you and asks you to list their land for sale, you may be able to get a good sense of what you’re dealing with Google Street View without driving all over tarnation.  That fabulous Malibu lot may actually be on the side of a vertical cliff, so check it out in Street View before proposing a listing price to your client.

Pegman says he will work for you for free too!

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It May Be Unwise to Base Your Listing Price on What Similar Parcels Are Selling For

“Hi, I’d like you to list my property for sale.  Will you send me some comps?” 

Land sellers phone me and say this several times per week. And I always think:  Comps, uh, what comps?

By “comps” I presume you mean you want to know the selling prices of comparable parcels that have sold.  Perhaps you’re remembering how it was the last time you sold your house.  The nice Realtor showed you a list of similar houses in your neighborhood that had sold recently and you looked at the list and discussed how your house may have fewer bedrooms than that one but a better kitchen than the other one.  You priced your house after reviewing a list of sold comps, right?

So now with your land you’re thinking that you’ll do it the same way.  You assume there are a fair number of parcels that have sold recently and you want to price your parcel based on what other parcels like yours are selling for.  Do I have it right?

As a seller, I know you think your logic is impeccable, incontrovertible.

But perhaps it is not.

The problem with your logic is:  the economy is in a recession now; unlike houses which are selling better, very few vacant land parcels are selling; because so few parcels have sold those sales tend to be less comparable and more idiosyncratic, so less reliable as the basis for comp averages; you want to sell in the next half year not two years from now after hundreds of “days on market”;  anything that has sold has, by definition, done so in the past, not the present, in a somewhat different economy; you’re not competing with the handful of parcels that have already sold; you’re competing to sell your parcel in the present or future with the many many parcels like yours available for sale right now.

All of this means that basing your selling price of the smattering of parcels that have sold may not be wise in the current economy.

Here are some examples to illustrate the dilemma:

 

Seller Nathanial’s Subdivision Lot

Nathanial owns one of several virtually identical lots in a central California subdivision.  He wants to sell his lot.  All of the lots in this subdivision are similar in size and quality.  Seller Nathanial’s goal is to sell his lot in the next 6 months.

Four parcels in this subdivision have sold in the last 2 years at $20,000, $25,000, $30,000 and $35,000.  However, there are 40 parcels available for sale and on the market now that have not sold.  Those 40 lots are available starting at listing prices of $19,000 and going up from there.  Further, in the past year, 27 sellers of lots in this same subdivision have seen their listings expire and their lots have not sold.  The prices on those expired listings started at $21,000 and went up from there.

If I e-mailed seller Nathanial some “sold comps” and advised him to price his parcel around $27,500, the average of the sold comps, do you think he would be likely to achieve his goal of selling his parcel in the next 6 months?

Probably not.

The reason is his lot is competing with parcels on the market now priced as low as $19,000.

If it helps, imagine a buyer driving into central California from, say San Francisco.  Let’s say he’s in a red convertible.  Based on statistics, one buyer like this shows up in this subdivision every 6 months.  Our buyer heard about this nice new subdivision where there used to be a cornfield.  Suppose Nathanial did price his lot at $27,500 and this buyer read about this great $27,500 lot in the agent’s colorful ads and decided to drive over and check it out.  But when he gets there and starts driving up and down the streets he sees 40 signs on vacant lots.  There’s one lot at $23,000…and another one at $28,000…and one at $20,000.  Then he spots one at $19,000!  So while originally he drove out to look at the lot priced at $27,500 based on the agent’s great marketing, the buyer in the red convertible ultimately decides to submit an offer on the lot priced at $19,000.

This is the way it goes in real estate day in and day out.  However buyers are not driving around in red convertibles.  They’re surfing the web.  Today buyers can easily access information on the internet about all of the parcels available in this subdivision.  They can search any number of websites like Zillow or Realtor.com.  So it’s highly unlikely that a buyer would get a hankering for a high priced parcel over all of the other virtually identical and less expensive lots in the same subdivision.  Why would someone buy Nathanial’s lot at $27,500 when they can buy essentially the same lot at $19,000, $20,000 or $21,000?

Before Nathanial can sell his parcel at $27,500, it is likely that the lots priced at $19,000, $20,000, and so forth will have to sell first.  Since one lot is selling about every 6 months in this subdivision, it will be a few years before his lot is likely to sell at a list price of $27,500.

OK, thinks seller Nathanial, then how did those other sellers get good prices like $20,000, $25,000, $30,000 and $35,000?  If they sold theirs for prices like that then why can’t I?  That’s what he’s thinking, I know, I can hear his thoughts through the phone lines!  Well, for one thing they got those prices in the past.  Some of those parcels sold 1-2 years ago in a somewhat different economy.  Another reason is that sometimes transactions are not “arm’s length”.  The lots may have sold to a family member at a higher price.  For example maybe an adult son or daughter was trying to help their aging parents with hospital bills by buying their lot.  A lot may have sold to an adjacent neighbor who wanted to expand his yard and so didn’t want any other parcel but the one she purchased.  We have no way of knowing why they sold at those prices.  The question Nathanial must ask himself is:  can he get a high price like that for his lot when many other similar lots are available at lower prices?  Let me put the answer simply:  It’s highly unlikely.

If seller Nathanial really wants to sell in the next 6 months, he should glance at the sold comps and then set them asideIn deciding how to price his parcel, his primary focus should be on the prices of his competition – parcels available for sale.  Nathanial should consider pricing his lot at $18,000, effectively undercutting the least expensive parcel on the market.

On the other hand if, after rethinking things Nathanial decides that he doesn’t necessarily want to sell in the next 6 months after all, or does not want to accept $18,000, that’s fine too.  In this case he should consider leaving the parcel off the market and waiting for the economy to improve.

 

Seller Bethany’s Riverfront Lot

Bethany does not have a cookie cutter parcel like Nathanial’s.  She has a large 20 acre parcel directly on a river.  Also Bethany is willing to offer seller financing as an incentive to buyers who don’t have all cash.

However, even with this special parcel, we would still have the same situation:

As seller Bethany’s broker, I could research all 10-30 acre parcels in the area or county where Bethany’s parcel is located and I would find that few have sold in the last couple years and many are available.

I could research all parcels on a river, stream, lake or ocean and I would find that few have sold and many are available.

I could research all parcels where the owner is offering seller financing and I would find that few have sold and many are available.

The economic recession has affected the salability of all parcels including large attractive parcels with financing incentives like Bethany’s.  No matter what kind of parcel you are offering in 2012, research is likely to reveal few sold comps and many similar equally wonderful parcels available that have not sold.  Thus, pricing based exclusively on sold comps is folly in this economy even for “special” parcels.

During the current recession it may not make sense to focus solely or primarily on the selling prices of a few random parcels when there are many parcels available for sale that have not sold.  Keep your eye on the competition: similar parcels available for sale.   Price your land to compete!

 

(As an aside, I use fictional names, dollar figures, situations and places to create examples in this blog.  However, the examples are based on my real experience giving real price opinions to the 5-10 real sellers who call me each week.)

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Compose Good Driving Directions And They Will Come

I confess, I tend to sell my own listings.

I’m also pleased when other agents sell my listings.

However, I rarely sell other agents listings.

Is it because I’m naughty?   Is it because I don’t play well with the other kids?

I would like to sell other agent’s land listings, really I would.  But I don’t.

The main reason is simple:  I can’t find their parcels!

Or more accurately, I could find them if I wanted to spend hours performing the same time-consuming location research on each agent’s land listing that I perform on my own listings.  This is because residential listing agents almost never provide helpful maps and clear driving directions for their vacant land listings.

Let’s face it, finding land is not like finding a house.  Houses tend to have addresses posted right on them.  You can type an address for a house into Google maps or your dashboard GPS navigation system, get in your car, and there you are.  Finding land, especially rural land, is often more complex.

Maps are also critical in assisting buyers and their agents in locating vacant land listings so I’ll discuss creating good maps in a future blog post.  But for now let’s consider how to compose good driving directions to help buyers find vacant land.

 

Choose a Logical Starting Point

Good directions begin at the beginning.  You must first choose a logical starting point.  Give the starting point some real thought and remember most folks will not be coming from your home or office.  Ask yourself, what is the place that most buyers will be coming from?  For example, when selling rural land in Antelope Valley in north Los Angeles County, perhaps most buyers will be coming from the Los Angeles city area.  When selling rural land in the Gold Country, buyers may be coming from the Sacramento area.

Next identify the major artery that buyers are likely to travel on.   If you anticipate that buyers may be coming from some distance away this artery may be an interstate or highway.  If you think buyers will be more local, this could be a major thoroughfare or street.  The first word in your directions should be the word “From”:

“From Hwy 1…”

“From Interstate 5…”

“From Sir Francis Drake Blvd…”

Start Directions At Major Artery

The next thing in your directions will probably be some kind of an exit or a turn.  However, since you’re actually uncertain which direction the buyer will be travelling on the initial major artery, you are also uncertain whether they will be turning left or right off of that artery.  For example, the buyer may come from either the north or the south on I-5.  So when they exit I-5, it’s not clear whether they should turn “left” or “right”.  However it is clear whether they should turn “east” or “west”.  So, on this first turn off the major artery use the directions east/west/north/south:

“take exit 999 and turn west on…”

“take exit 999 and turn east on…”

“turn north on…”

“turn south on…”

 

After that first turn, you should then direct them to turn left or right rather than north/south/east/west.  This is because most people lack an internal compass and so understand left and right better.  Plus from this point on it will be clear what direction they’re going.

“Turn right on….”

“Turn left on…”

 

When instructing them to turn on roads that do not have posted signs, be sure to identify the road in some other way:

“Take the second left on Mojave, an unsigned dirt road.”

“Take the third right on Rural Ln.  Rural Ln does not have a sign but there is a blue Victorian house on the corner there.”

 

When your directions reach the street the parcel is on, mention which side of the street it is on:

“The parcel is on the left side of Elm Street.”

“After Maple curves to the right, the parcel will be on the right.”

 

If the parcel is near a property with an address it is critical to mention it:

“The lot is between the houses at 110 and 130 Pine Ave.”

“The lot is across the street from the two story office building at 7500 Main Street.”

“The parcel is on Avenue A behind, and adjacent to, the ranch at 15900 Avenue B.”

 

When the parcel is not near a property with an address, tell the buyer how to locate the lot:

“The southwest corner of the lot begins 160 feet from the corner of Tumbleweed Avenue and Sagebrush Street.  You will see a marker there.  The parcel has 80 feet of frontage on Tumbleweed Avenue.”

“The parcel consists of the rectangular cleared area left of the forested area.”

“The parcel is surrounded by a white rail fence.”

 

Dos and Don’ts

Do compose directions for an audience of buyers who are unfamiliar with the area.  Don’t write directions for an audience of agents who may already know their way around.  Any buyer should be able to use your directions to drive to the parcel on their own when there is no sign and without the assistance of an agent.  After all, the listing agent may be busy, the sign may have been removed by neighbors who don’t want the parcel to sell, and buyers may prefer to go on their own.  So write directions with the goal of getting the independent buyer from point A to point B on their own.

Don’t use abbreviations that buyers may be unfamiliar with such as “PIQ” (agent-speak for “parcel in question”).  Abbreviations such as Rd, St, Ave, and Hwy may be OK but don’t use L for left and R for right unless you absolutely have to because there’s so little space in the database field.  Never abbreviate street names or place names.  In fact, avoid all abbreviations if you can.

Don’t be overly succinct.  Really spell things out clearly.  For example, why say “L Maple” when you have enough room to say “Turn left on Maple Ave”.

 

Finding Directions Online

Fortunately, it is not necessary to compose your directions from scratch.  Directions are available online from MapQuest, Google and Bing.

 

 

 

I use MapQuest.  I enter the starting and ending point and let MapQuest tell me the directions.  Then I cut and paste those directions into a word processing file.  Using the tips mentioned above, I edit my word processing file into a paragraph so that they’re very succinct and clear.  Then I cut and paste them into the MLS or wherever.  Even if you feel you already know how to get from the starting point to the ending point you should verify your instincts by reviewing online directions.

What starting point and ending point should you enter when the land doesn’t have an address and you don’t know where the buyer is coming from?  As a starting point, I enter the logical city that I identified in the first step of my contemplation described earlier in this blog post.  For example the city might be “Los Angeles” or “Sacramento” or whatever.  It is not necessary to be more specific because you will not be using detailed directions starting from the very center of that city anyway – you will only use the portion of the directions starting from a major artery.

For the ending point, if the land doesn’t have an address, you have at least two options:  One option is to enter cross streets of the nearest intersection.  A second option is to identify the address of a property that is near or adjacent to the one you’re selling and enter that as the ending point, just to trick the software into giving you directions.

For example, suppose I was selling Yosemite National Park (not a good idea because this belongs to the federal government – but let’s use it for an example!)  For a starting point I might enter “Sacramento” into MapQuest.  For the ending point, I don’t have a street address for Yosemite so I might enter the cross streets “Big Oak Flat Rd and Tioga Pass Rd” as the destination in MapQuest.   (Sometimes you have to play around with intersections to find one that MapQuest will take.)  Alternatively, while I don’t have an address for Yosemite National Park I might have an address for the nearby Yosemite Bug Rustic Mountain Resort so I could enter the destination as “6979A California 140, Midpines, CA”, just to get close.   The point is to find some destination near the land you’re selling to get MapQuest to produce usable approximate directions.  The address you use as the destination doesn’t have to be exact because you’re going to use your noggin in editing the resulting directions.

 

Example of How to Edit MapQuest Directions into a Paragraph

Here are some directions that MapQuest produced for a property I have in escrow in Escondido California. No street address has been assigned to this vacant land parcel.  So I entered my starting point as the city of “Temecula California” and the ending point as simply “Arirang Ln, Escondido” and this is what MapQuest produced:

1. Start out going southeast on Business Park Dr toward Single Oak Dr.

2. Take the 2nd left onto Rancho California Rd.  Rancho California Rd is just past Single Oak Dr.  If you are on Ridge Park Dr and reach Betterworld Cir you’ve gone about 0.2 miles too far

3.  Merge onto I-15 S.  If you reach Ynez Rd you’ve gone about 0.2 miles too far

4. Take the Deer Springs Rd exit toward Mountain Meadow Rd.

5. Turn left onto Deer Springs Rd.

6. Turn right onto N Centre City Pky.

7. Turn left onto Ivy Dell Ln.  Ivy Dell Ln is 0.3 miles past Mesa Rock Rd

8. Turn right onto Jesmond Dene Rd.

9. Turn left onto N Broadway.  N Broadway is 0.2 miles past Quail Rd.  If you are on Merion Gln and reach Douglaston Gln you’ve gone about 0.1 miles too far

10. Take the 1st right onto North Ave.  If you reach Sylvan Ln you’ve gone about 0.2 miles too far

11. Take the 1st left onto Laurashawn Ln.  If you reach Kaywood Dr you’ve gone about 0.2 miles too far

12. Take the 2nd right onto Adagio Way.  Adagio Way is 0.4 miles past Music Ln.  If you are on Arco Dr and reach Crescendo Dr you’ve gone a little too far

13. Take the 1st right onto Sky Dr.  If you reach the end of Caprice Pl you’ve gone a little too far

14. Stay straight to go onto Arirang Ln.

15. [11300-11399] ARIRANG LN.  If you reach Kaywood Dr you’ve gone a little too far

 

The MapQuest directions above start in the middle of the city of Temecula rather than at a major artery and are far too lengthy and cumbersome for use in marketing land so I started at step 3 and edited them down to this succinct paragraph:

From I-15 take the Deer Springs Rd exit toward Mountain Meadow Rd. From Deer Springs go south on N Centre City Pkwy. Turn east on Ivy Dell Ln. Turn right on Jesmond Dene Rd.  Turn left on N Broadway. Take the first right on North Ave. Take the first left on Laurashawn Ln.  Take the second right on Adgio Way. Turn right on Sky Dr and go a short distance.  Continue straight on Arirang Ln. Parcel is on Arirang Ln behind the house at 26211 Sky Dr.  It starts on the right just past the black iron fence.  Take an aerial map showing boundaries with you.

 

Drive to the Parcel

After you have researched directions online, and edited them down something that you think is good, now attempt to drive to the parcel using just the directions you’ve composed.  When you’re on the ground it is common to notice that street signs are different from the street names online.  Or signs may be missing entirely.  You may find that your directions are not exactly correct in other ways too.  You might get the great idea to include things such as “Turn left on Country Ln after old abandoned red barns on the right” and the like.  Based on your insight, go back and edit your on-line entry to match what you see in the real world.

When you drive out to the parcel after composing the directions, why not ask a colleague, friend or family member to go with you; let them take charge and see if they can find the parcel using your directions as an experiment.  If they can’t, pull out the red pen and edit them until they’re clear.

Think of writing directions as an iterative process, not a one-time thing.  I don’t hesitate to enter my MapQuest-edited paragraph into the MLS and push the “go” button to send the listing live to the world without even seeing the parcel in order to get it on the market quickly.  However, I also don’t hesitate to edit my directions later if I discover a direction change that might prove helpful to buyers trying to find the parcel.  When you know better you do better!

 

Example of How to Use Landmarks

Use landmarks to orient the buyer in a rural area.  Here is an example of directions for a sold parcel in in Loyalton where I mention the landmarks of “dome home” and the “big log home”:

From Hwy 49 west of Loyalton, turn left on Sage Rd.  Continue on Sage Rd past the first intersection and then at the second intersection, at the dome home, turn right on right on Moss Dr.  Before the big log home, turn right on Woods Ln.  Parcel is at the end of Woods Ln at the top of the hill.  Woods Ln is a dirt road with small rocks.  It can be driven with a four wheel drive.  Half way up is a wide spot in the road where you may see my sign with an arrow.  I parked there and walked the remaining couple blocks or you can drive the whole way if you want to.  You will pass the first boundary marker on the right after the wide spot.   When you get to the clearing at the top where you might build a cabin, you’ll see that’s near the northwest corner and is visible in the aerial map.  Take aerial map and brochure with you so you can get your bearings when you’re up there.  Boundaries in aerial map are only approximate.

Use Landmarks In Your Directions

Here is an example of directions for a sold parcel in Joshua Tree where I mention the landmarks of “US Post Office”, “lighted intersection” and “fenced in parcel”:

From I-10 take Hwy 62, Twentynine Palms Hwy, to Joshua Tree. When you reach the US Post Office on the left at the lighted intersection, there is a fenced in parcel on the right. This parcel for sale is to the left of that fenced parcel. Take an aerial map.

 

Examples of How to Take Advantage of Addresses of Nearby Homes

If the land you’re selling is near homes with posted addresses, be sure to mention them in your directions.  Remember, even if the land has an address, that address is unlikely to be posted on the ground.  Houses, on the other hand, often have physical posted addresses which are far more helpful to buyers.  So take advantage of them:

From Hwy 1, turn east on Annapolis Rd. Turn right on Fly Cloud Rd. Pass Constellation Clos and pass the house at 35330 on the right. Curve to the right and the parcel will be on your right. The parcel is just before the house at 35421 that sits on the corner of Fly Cloud and Timber Ridge Rd. Take an aerial map, don’t leave without it!

From I-10 take the Oak Glen Rd/Live Oak Canyon Rd exit 85. Turn left on Oak Glen/Live Oak Canyon. Turn left on Clearwater Dr. The parcel is at 39413 Clearwater on the right. It starts approximately 100 feet past the house on the right at 39389 Clearwater.

From Hwy 50 in Placerville, take Broadway exit 47.  Turn right on Broadway. Turn right onto Mosquito Rd.  Turn right and left as needed to stay on Mosquito Rd.  Turn right on Buckboard Rd.  The parcel is on the left between 2793 Buckboard and 2721 Dyer.  Take an aerial map.  Don’t leave home without it!

Give Addresses of Nearby Properties

 

Advice to Buyers

Sigh, what can I tell you?  If the directions for a parcel you’re interested in are not posted or not clear you’re kind of stuck.  You can contact the listing agent and ask them to show the parcel to you.  This is a time-consuming proposition if you’re looking at several parcels.  Another option is to focus your search only on parcels where the driving directions are clear.  If you are a land investor it may be worth your while to develop the same land-finding skills that land brokers have so that you can be more independent, something I’ll cover in a future blog post.  If it seems that the agent has written clear directions, and the parcel is not gated, get in your car and go see the parcel on your own.  Take any maps that are available with you.

 

Advice to Sellers

Let your agent write the driving directions, that’s their job.  Then take the time to review the directions that they compose.  If they’re not clear and accurate, give your agent some helpful hints on how they might be improved.

Also consider listing at the outset with a broker who writes good driving directions.  This is important because if the directions for your parcel are missing or unclear, there will only be two people in the world who know how to find your parcel, you and your broker.  Further, there will only be one person trying to sell it – your listing broker.   What you want is for clear directions to be visible to other brokers and buyers in the MLS and all over the internet.  Choose a broker at the outset who seems to understand the importance of this.  When choosing a listing broker, take a look to see how they compose directions for their other listings.

 

Advice to Agents

Here’s your final exam.  Don’t worry it’ll be fun.  It’s only one question, multiple-choice.  Which of the following voice mail messages would you like to receive?

a)      “Hi, it’s Friday at 4 pm and I was wondering if you could meet me out at that $10,000 parcel you’re listing 2 hours from your office and show me where it is?”

b)      “Hello I’m out here in this rural area looking for your vacant land listing and I can’t find it.  I was on the paved road then I turned on the dirt road and then I curved left and then I crossed some railroad tracks but I have no idea where it is and I don’t know the name of the street I’m on.  I’m leaving this message Sunday morning at 7:30 am.  Can you call me back on my cell phone right now and give me directions on how to find it?”

c)       “I drove by your parcel last weekend using your directions and I want to submit an offer.  Will you represent me?”

As an agent, of course you prefer “c”!   So take a moment to write clear directions and they will come!

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